Million Dollar PIVOT

Episode 34 - Developing Trust in Yourself and Finding Courage with Lala Jackson

Episode Summary

Meet Lala Jackson. Lala is an author and storyteller, and is known for her compelling, impactful, and heart-felt writing and speaking. She dives deep into the heart of issues, championing voices not typically heard, catalyzing readers and listeners to take action about things that matter, and weaving threads between impactful, mission-driven work. Lala is also our host Jamie's daughter, and Jamie is so excited to have her on the show today to share about a roadblock that shook her to her core. When applying to join the Peace Corp., Lala was hit with the devastating news that her type 1 diabetes would prevent her from traveling and serving in the capacity that she had dreamed of. But through this forced pivot, Lala learned so much, and She's here to share that wisdom with us. She's talking about things like learning to trust yourself, finding courage, setting boundaries, and forgoing self-sacrifice. Connect with Lala: For all inquiries, email Connect with Jamie: Grab your FREE Publishing Profit Path -

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Intro  0:06  

When entrepreneurs are transparent, they'll share with you that this life we've chosen can be lonely, scary, confusing and overwhelming and we are often more vulnerable to expensive mistakes and surprises than we care to admit. But hitting roadblocks and barriers. being forced to redirect start over or pivot is completely normal. I invite you to join our tribe entrepreneurs devoted to increasing their business growth, influence and impact while being courageous enough to share the UPS downs, twists and turns of their life and business Odysseys through cathartic and inspiring stories learn actionable and practical steps to push past barriers, roadblocks and failures to achieve huge influence impact and growth in your business. And life. million dollar pivot is a series of honest million dollar stories with powerful business influencers and mission driven entrepreneurial leaders that provides you with real life value and belief that not only will you make it through to financial and location independence, you will end up exactly where you were always meant to be making a difference, changing lives and telling your own million dollar story. When you've been in the game for a while, you'll realize we all fall at some point. And when we do we land on the path that brings us to exactly where we are meant to be every time. I'm Jamie wolf. And this is million dollar pivot a show for everyone who's ever hit a wall trying to move to the next level, whether you're just starting in business, or you're moving from six to seven to eight figures and beyond.


Jamie  1:44  

Hey, everyone, this is Jamie Wolf with another episode of million dollar pivot. So glad to have you with us. If you've listened to the show before you know that we like to explore that time in life where you thought you had everything going just so had worked really hard to make that happen. And then it wasn't happening anymore. It's not fun going through it. But once you get to the other side, you tend to realize you are exactly where you are meant to be. We love to explore with guests those times that that happens. And ways they've found to get through it to have the belief and the courage to keep going until you get to the other side. I am super, super pleased. privileged, happy excited to have Pamela Jackson with us here today. Pamela also goes by Lala but I get to call her Pamela because she's my daughter. So Pamela, aka Lala, welcome. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. So if you could please give a sort of high level overview of what it is that you do. Now we'll come back around and circle and dive into it a little bit more deeply through this next little while here. But if you could tell folks what you do now, please, I am an author and a storyteller. And I've gotten used to saying that only recently because much like so many people who have been guests on this podcast, and much like its host, my mom, we have done a lot of different things and had to kind of assess what our identity is amongst all of those different things that we do. And I've realized that the thread for me is always coming back to this ability to tell stories, no matter what I do, no matter what I apply it to. And no matter what company I've worked for, or what new venture I've started on my own. The thread has always been storytelling, using my voice as a way to tell other people's stories and to tell my own stories in ways that connect. So that's what I like to describe myself as author, writer, storyteller, speaker. I love that. And I can tell that's going to give us lots of material already only because finding a voice trusting a voice. Finding an identity. And being able to have a fluid identity, I think is a real challenge, especially when you run into a pivot that you don't see coming. So I always say that, hey, I'm old. I've had a bunch of different pivots. You're quite a bit younger. But I know that you've had a few pivots in there too. So which one do you want to start with? What would you like to tell the audience about? Ooh, I think the biggest one for me was also the hardest because it did challenge my identity. So coming out of college, I was not necessarily overachieving on an academic level, but overachieving with all of the other many things I did, I was very involved student leader, I cared very deeply around the world, I had that same thing that so many college students have have, I'm going to be done here and then I'm going to go save the world. And I'm going to have this kind of martyr complex of I can do anything and I don't care if I'm sacrificing the process is also important. And it's just kind of that younger person mentality of we're a bit reckless in our save the world. And I have


Lala  5:00  

Type One Diabetes, I've had it since I was 10. So my particular form of wanting to go save the world is I wanted to start health clinics across the world aimed at non communicable diseases, because communicable diseases are kind of like the hot button. But I knew things like diabetes and heart disease. And all that was such a big issue. The first step I was going to take to do this was going into the Peace Corps. And the Peace Corps has a really extensive approval process, it takes about nine months, I had been through the whole process, I graduated college, I was waiting for my assignment. And then I got the letter that I did not receive medical clearance, because whomever was reviewing my file, did not believe that I would be able to take care of my type one diabetes in the place where I was being assigned to. And that was devastating. For me, it was the first time I had ever been told no, on the basis of my disease, I was very lucky to have an amazing care team. And an amazing mom, when I was first diagnosed, who really instilled in me that I could do anything that I wanted to, alongside and despite my health, and that was the approach that I always took. And so to get to know, and to get to know that I could not argue with and to get a no, that changed the course of my life as I thought it would go, it leveled me and it leveled my identity, I thought I was going to be this person who went off into the world and traveled and did this really amazing thing. And you know, was this, this girl, just traveling the world and starting up health clinics and blah, blah. And the means I thought I would do that with first was then taken away. And much later, I realized that I completely shrink myself in that moment, I was so deeply sad that that had been taken from me as a path. And that's how I viewed it at the time I saw it as it was taken from me, I didn't see it as an opportunity to pivot. And so even though my dreams were tied to doing these really important things, and health, and starting these clinics, and all of that, I then went the route of Okay, let me go find a responsible job and get my paycheck and get my health insurance. And I spent about six or seven years just kind of floating through life because I didn't know what else I wanted to do. And I was still just mad. So that was my first pivot. But it was forced. But I think from then it taught me how to see knows as opportunities to reassess. And then also as sometimes as opportunities to figure out maybe a better and more efficient way, maybe that way that I was chasing so hard wasn't the way I was supposed to do it. And that's why I got the No. And so after some time, and after some learning experiences, I then got back into the health care world and I am back in it now doing things that really mattered to me and have great impact, and in a way that are probably more impactful than they would have been before. But at that time, that pivot was not comfortable. So that's a lot.


Jamie  8:18  

From mom's perspective, you left out a huge thing, which is when you graduated was just after the 2008 crash. And so much like kids today who are graduating from college and a non existent job market, you had invested all of the time and the resources to learn some skills and communication and graduated at a time we're getting a job, which you hadn't planned on doing anyway, because of going into the Peace Corps. So not only did you have the rug ripped out from under you, you didn't have a lot of alternatives to go forward. Anyway, again, through no fault of your own, so to external circumstances coming in. And I think that's important because I joke that I named this show pivot before the whole entire damn world had to pivot that everybody hates the name of the show. No, cuz it's just been imposed on everybody. But often pivots come at us externally, and not by choice. Looking back through, is there anything in particular other than time that you can think of that you held on to get you through those two huge challenges happening simultaneously? I think mostly I was just holding on to survival, if I'm going to be really honest. The other fun thing of this time is it was before the Affordable Care Act had been passed. And so graduating from college meant that I no longer had access to health insurance, not being able to get hired for a full time job because of the recession meant I could


Lala  10:00  

not get employer provided health insurance. And so for 13 months, not only was I just trying to find any form of a paycheck, I also did not have health insurance, which meant I could not afford my insulin, or my insulin pump supplies or going to the doctor. And so, so much of that first year out of college was about truly just trying to survive, to the point that I know what day that I got insurance, it was October 1 2010, I got my health insurance card on October 3 2010. My mom sent me flowers. Because it was such a big deal. My coworkers at the time, I worked for a German company, who truly did not understand how the hell I did not have health insurance, it didn't make sense as a concept that Americans didn't have access to health insurance. They made me a cake. And they did all these really kind of things for me knowing that it was so important that I had insurance. And the thing that struck me most was that the day that they made me the cake, and they surprise me with it. I laughed heartily, like that stomach left. And then I almost instantly started crying because I realized it was the first time I had laughed in a year. And it was so hard. And so that first year was truly was truly about survival. And I can look back in retrospect and say, I held on to resilience, I held on to being so strong bla bla, that's not what I was holding on to at the time I was holding on to how do I literally survive another hour, without access to the medications and the support that I needed to literally just stay alive, so that neither one of us start crying. Right now, I'm going to ask you about courage, because you were placed in a position of fear, you had come from a very tight community in college, not just the university campus and knowing what to do and when to do it because of a class schedule and the groups that you led and participated in, but you had a tight group of friends, and then to be thrust away from that with all of your friends scattering across the world going in different directions. That's one set of unknowns and things that just that huge adjustment of going to new place new people and losing the support structure, and then the fear of your health, and the uncertainty of money and have access to health care. It's something that a lot of people are going through. Right now on all of those fronts. You've often mentioned courage in a lot of different forms, what are your thoughts about sort of the intersection of fear and courage these days, I think courage has to be practiced. And sometimes, most often, we're put in situations where we're not choosing to practice being brave. But I think something that I've learned since is that you can build that muscle on purpose, if you want to. And since getting more on my feet, and since getting more to a grounded place, and you know, money coming in, and a roof over my head and all of that I'm much more comfortable now, I've been able to gain the perspective that I can also grow my courage by choosing to do things that scare me every day. And I think that that's something that I inadvertently practiced growing up. One because we just had a lot of situations where we all kind of had to stick together and be brave and deal with some heavy stuff. But also I was kind of just a reckless child, I had very little regard for my own safety, I was always doing random things that I shouldn't have been doing as far as climbing things and hiking mountains. And very typical of me, I was breaking bones all of the time. in eighth grade, I want to say I then ended up hiking Mount St. Helens with my class on a broken ankle because I just wanted to go. And so I think I was in the practice of being fairly brave already. And then was thrust into situations where that then had to be tested. And so I'm, I'm grateful for having that inclination toward courage anyway. And then I think I was put in situations where I just had to be that wasn't a choice. But I've since put myself in situations where I flexed it on purpose, or I grew it on purpose. And that has then led to more situations where when situations come up, where I am forced to be brave again, it's much easier to be brave, it's still not comfortable, but I know what it feels like to push through it. And I am comfortable with my ability to get through it because I've done scary things before. And so it's something that can be developed.


Jamie  15:00  

If you're doing it on purpose, I'm going to rephrase or paraphrase that a little for anyone who's going through a forced pivot, and a time where there's fear coming at them from a lot of different directions, that small successes and small wins with courage will build over time, so that you can go Hmm, I've been in the situation before, or something similar to it, I survived last time, I have a little bit more confidence that I'll survive this time. And so you can push the fear away a little faster. And what is that saying that we rely on occasion, something like motion over comes negative emotion or action neutralizes, I never remember that, before you started saying it and how it all actually negates negative emotions. Thank you. I appreciate that. So sometimes just when we're immobilized by fear, or overwhelmed, just taking that first step or two will get us going and make it feel a little better. But the other thing that I want to talk about, because I know it's something you and I have talked about a lot over the years, and I'm still wondering about my level of achievement, there is this idea of the tension between courage to push something through something that's uncomfortable, and knowing when that level of discomfort is a warning flag that you're going in the wrong direction, which brings up trust, you know, we've had situations to teach us who to trust and who not to trust. But this is more about trusting ourselves. If it's a situation that's unfamiliar, it's a little hard to know, I think sometimes is like, are the warning flags here, just because this is new. And it's not really hard. It's just new. So I need to push through, or the warning flags, something that I need to trust myself and listen to? Because forget being uncomfortable through growth. There's something wrong here. So how do you? How have you learned to think about that? Hmm, I was thinking, as you're asking the question of how I would possibly answer this, because I think my inclination is to say, well, you'll just know, if you learn to listen to your gut, you'll just know that's not helpful. So I'm trying to figure out a way to actually practice that as well. I think it's another thing that's quite inherent for me, I remember multiple times when I was younger adults, proposing some sort of idea for something I should do, or simple things like you should do this sport, or you should start doing XYZ. And me little rambunctious kid, I was like, Nope, not gonna do it. And it's because I just had this intrinsic level of trust in myself of what I wanted to do and where I wanted to go and what I wanted to be, I was so comfortable saying no, as I got older, that got harder. And there have been so many situations where, in the middle of the night, I wake up, full of anxiety, because I know my gut is telling me, I need to get away from something or I need to stop doing something. And then I wake up in the morning, and I rationalize it of No, actually, you know, I, it's okay, that I'm doing this. And maybe I'm just scared, and everybody's scared at two o'clock in the morning, because that's just when our minds are going crazy. And I then push myself through it. The negative impact of that, for me, personally has always been, my health will show when I'm pushing through something I shouldn't, I will get sick. It is the number one thing that when I'm not listening to myself, my body will be like, you're a jerk, what are you doing, and I will get super inflamed and get headaches and get puffy. You can see it in my face. I'll be nauseated all the time. And in my mind, again, I'll rationalize it. And I'll say, Oh, well, it's because I had this thing I wasn't supposed to eat and bla bla that. But I think if we get really honest with ourselves and listen to ourselves, there's always a sign. And I think it takes some time to get to know ourselves and figure out what those signs and flags are for each of us. But I know for me, that my sign is always that I will get sick. If I'm doing something that's not in alignment with who I am. Those six years where I really shrank myself after the whole Peace Corps denial. I also gained like 40 or 50 pounds during that period of time. And at that time, I was thinking, Oh, well, that's just what happens as you get older and oh, I've been working so much and I've been tied to a desk and blah, blah. In retrospect, I know it's because I was forcing myself through something that was not in alignment with who I am as a person and when


Lala  20:00  

My body was screaming at me to stop, my body was screaming at me to please find another way. And once I started coming back to myself and started coming back to my intuition and started trusting myself more, that weight came off. And it wasn't that I was killing myself in the gym or doing crazy diets or anything, I was just a happier and more in alignment person who is listening to myself and my body said, thanks. So that's always been my telltale of something will show me usually my body, sometimes the universe will show me that I'm just not going in the right direction. And I've learned to pay attention to what those signals are. I'm looking forward to learning that myself, I still feel sometimes that I need to push through or work harder. I think the legacy in our family is my father was a very high achievers. So he imposed that with all good intention, high expectations on my brothers and me, which I then shared with you guys. Sorry about that. But that sense of, you know, we know we're capable of a lot. And I think you and I both come at that from a place of gratitude of, hey, we've been given a lot. And therefore we want to turn around and give a lot. And if that means to label success, or push harder, through something, we're gonna do that even if it feels uncomfortable. So I know for me, sometimes it's hard to hear the signs or trust my intuition, because I think it's me slacking off, or being lazy. or giving into an I don't want to sort of feeling. I know that there's been a couple of other forced on you pivots, when you were going after super human, ridiculous levels of achievement. And I think it goes back to you went through, in my opinion, a few iterations of how can I go save the world? Do you feel like talking about any of those other ones where you were just saying, Hey, I know I bet I could do this, and this and this all at the same time. And what happened?


Lala  22:16  

Thinking of two distinct times, both related to kind of the health world. So one of those times right when I was first getting back on track, so to speak with what I wanted to do, I decided that I wanted to pursue a master's in public health.


Lala  22:32  

The thing that I will always get riled up about is federal health care policy. So that's what I was going to my public health program for, I got into Georgia State University really strong program tied to the CDC, really high achieving it checked, all of those boxes of this will look really good on a resume, you'll be so important, you'll have a master's in public health that looks so cool. So those are probably the vacations that maybe not the best path to go toward. Because I was more, I think I was more attracted to the achievement of being able to say that I had a grad school degree rather than I actually needed it. So got into the program, I stayed really hard on the GRS. Office at the time, I was working at a healthcare tech company. And so it was kind of all coming together this dream of being back into the healthcare space. I think six months into that program, I broke my ankle in three places, it was hiking, it was a freak accident, went through two surgeries, I think the surgeries also got me fairly sick, just the amount of invasiveness in my body, and all the antibiotics and all of that on top of an autoimmune disease, trying to take care of my body with all of these extra things coming into it. And that was another period of time that I also got really sick. And again, in retrospect, I was putting myself through a program that in the future, probably would have placed me in rooms with a bunch of people who didn't actually care about the policy impacting people, but instead cared about how the policy impacted economics. And yes, there is a place for that in business. And it's something that has to be navigated. But I was putting myself through a program that would have been landed me in rooms that I'm sure would have killed me. And it just, it wasn't the right path to go down. And so I did end up dropping out of that program. After a year. I'm glad that I dropped out. I absolutely have attachment to this idea of I dropped out of something I said I was going to do, and that that's when I really have to play with it of do I want this because it's tied to my need for achievement. Or do I actually want this because it will serve me in the best possible way. The second time, this pivot that I chose to pay attention to. Right after I moved to New York City I moved here for a job to work


Lala  25:00  

With the largest Type One Diabetes nonprofit in the world, it was kind of something that I always said I wasn't going to do. Because I didn't want to make Type One Diabetes more than 100% of my life. By taking on a nine to five job it made it like 150%. And then my jerk self to myself, decided to write a book, all about living with chronic illness and type one diabetes. And I decided I was going to be a health coach, and started this whole thing. And the reason I did that was because I didn't know that it was a place I could be of a ton of service, it was something that I knew well, it was something that I could really help other people through. I knew that my voice mattered in the space, I am a strong writer. And so I knew I could write the book that could help people. And it has, I'm so glad that book is out in the world helping people. I also never ever, ever want to do it again. Because the process of living with diabetes, while working at a diabetes organization, while writing a book about diabetes, made me so sick, I had the constant messaging going into my head of you're sick, you're sick, this is hard, talk about diabetes all the time. And my brain wasn't getting a break, to actually go live my life outside of this label of having diabetes. And then that book, once it was out in the world, then attracted a lot of people who are struggling, because that's who the book is for. But of course, that then meant that all of these people were coming to me with questions of, can you help me? Can you help me? I feel so bad all the time. I need your opinion on this, I need your advice on this. And of course, my bleeding heart self was like, okay, anything you need, I got you. And then they would take the information, not ever apply it, and then come back and say I still need your help. And it made me so mad that I was expending all of this energy. And that was on me, that wasn't on any of the people that was reading it. I was accepting all of that into my life, I was the one who put out all of the messaging on Let me help you let me help you. Let me help you. This is the thing I made to help you. So of course, then people ask for help. And I got exhausted, and I got really sick, because that's my sign, I will get sick if I'm pushing in a way I shouldn't. And again, tied to achievement, I didn't want to leave that space. Because I had a book. That's so important. I'm an author, and I was a health coach and doing all these impressive, impactful things. And I had to really kind of sit myself down and look at myself and be like, check, what are you doing? Why are you sacrificing yourself to be important? Why are you so tied to this title of author, health coach, health guru, blah, blah, all this stuff? Is that actually the space in which you can be most impactful? And the answer ended up being No. And so I stepped away from it. So yes, I wrote a book that hit all of these Amazon bestseller lists will book. And I'll say I'm an author now, but I don't mention the book much. And it was only three or four years ago. But it's not a space I want to live in anymore. And so I've had to learn to our God to learn to shift again into the things that both best serve me and best serve other people. And it doesn't serve me at all to sacrifice myself in order to help others. I can't help people that way. So it was a shift I really had to was required to make. Is it a fair thing to say that for young people going through college, if we go back aways, that we're sort of brainwashed to go, you know, external validation, I'm going to go get a job, I'm going to get a career, I'm going to get a title, I'm going to get rewarded with a paycheck, I'm going to get rewarded with promotions, so that so much of our value and identity comes from the outside. And then if we've got any serving or helpful nature, I think the best word is codependency that we get in our heads that we've got to go save the world, help other people who can't cope because we've got big, broad shoulders and we're tough enough and we can do it. And at some point, you get to the point of understanding boundaries better. And perhaps more importantly, that the true nature of service comes in getting very very strong and clear and focused inside that almost leaving the healthiest most grounded life we can lead rather than going oh you poor dear. Let me fix you whether it's a country or


Lala  30:00  

Have a policy or an individual, that's almost condescending. And maybe that's the wrong word. But to get to a point where we're strong enough insight, even if it then looks like we're a little cold, and we're not helping the person who comes begging for help, and it's like, you know what you can help yourself, I will show you a path, it will give you some tools, but you can help yourself. And I guess, take that and transition into how you started to look at story differently and what you're doing with it now. Mm hmm. Yeah, I think the whole constantly chasing validation thing is really interesting. And I wonder, you know, with all the conversations happening right now, I'm wondering, it's not distinctly American, but it is pretty American, to be so tied to, I am only valuable based on what I can produce for others. It's just, it's a big thing to unravel. And then I've noticed for myself, so much of my codependency is based on fear of control of I'm not controlling how people are reacting to me, I'm not controlling how people perceive me. And that's where my codependency tends to flare is when I get scared about all of those things. I think it's our nature. And I think it's a little bit of an entrepreneurial nature to want to control all of the things around us. It's one of the reasons we're creating so many things. So that's always an interesting check in of, again, am I doing this because it's the thing that I am best suited to do. And it serves people from a truly grounded place, or am I just trying to control of the things around me, and that's why I'm creating this thing. I think, for me now, what I've learned through all these different things that I've done, is my place of magic, is being able to find the words, to express the thing that everyone is feeling or going through, but doesn't know how to say they're feeling it or going through it. And then once they see my words about it, or hear my words, or whatever other medium I'm working in, they have that moment of


Lala  32:17  

Oh, and they feel seen. And they feel comforted by finally being able to put into words what they're feeling. Because it is very true that you feel so frantic sometimes, because you can't name why you're feeling that way. And then that just adds to the anxiety. But once you can name it, you can let it go, Oh, I was feeling that thing. Okay, let me move through that now. But until you find the words for really what you're feeling, it's hard to let it go because you haven't been able to name it yet. So that's really my place of magic. And I think part of that is we best learn about ourselves by seeing other people's stories. And it's the way we relate to other humans were intrinsically connected to one another. Even, you know, even if you don't have this spiritual belief that we're all connected in some way, we're just all humans living on the same planet, collected organism and, you know, all this energy moving around. And so it's just by our nature that we want to connect and understand what other people are going through. But there are so many filters that make that difficult. And so part of what I really tried to do and strive to do and think I'm very talented at is telling all of these stories in a way that one helps people feel seen themselves when they're reading and listening to these stories, but also then inspires them to take action on something they may not have understood before they read or heard that story. And it's something that I've been able to weave through everything I'm doing, whether I'm working in the diabetes space, or on health care policy, or on any other kind of messaging anything or if it's a personal project or anything else. The thread is always How do I tell this story in a way that's compelling in a way that connects and that that, for me has become the place where I don't feel frantic about it. I don't feel like I'm chasing it. I don't care about any achievement that's tied to it. It's just something that feels good in my body and good in my spirit. And that's why I do it. And I happen to be really, really good at it. And I think we're typically given the skill set probably early on and it's our job to find what that thing is. That creates the intersection of I'm really good at it and the world needs it. I love that. And I really love that you own without bravado or bragging or ego that you are really good at it.


Jamie  35:00  

And I hope that people listening are paying attention to that, because it's not only okay to own, that you're really good at something. But I believe it's super important. Because I feel a strength and a power in you, when you say that you're really good at that. And now it's no longer coming externally. It's this internal thing radiating out. And I know that that is drawing people to you, especially through the new project, that you are the new old project that you have going. So please tell people about that project. And then also, I haven't invited you yet to share how people can reach out if they're liking what they're hearing how they get ahold of you.


Lala  35:45  

Oh, it's the second question first, because it's the easy one, you can find me anywhere on the internet, either going to law, Jackson comm or all of my handles across all social media are, hey, la, la Jackson, no spaces, no dots, anything like that. The new old project that I'm working on is called who made you great. And right after college, when I was in that moment of what am I doing with my life, I was just trying to find something to make me happy. One of the things that makes me happy is digging into people's backstories and learning more about them and just geeking out on all of the things that they've learned in life, too. And so I started a project called who made you great. And I would interview people who are great at what they do about who helps get them there. Because none of us does this alone. And I was able to speak with people who I knew people who I was friends with people who I went to school with, and people who I just really admired. And it was so fun being this like 22 year old, fresh out of college floundering person, but then getting these big names in my mind like that one of my biggest interviews early on was a guy named Jay IV. He's on a song with Kanye and Jay Z. He's a spoken word artist. He's now in like Allstate commercials or something, I think, the spoken word, because that's where we are as a planet now. But it was just so fun to speak to him. And for each person, it was almost always a teacher, or their mom, almost without fail. Those are the people who most propped them up. And it was so fun to speak to them. And it's one thing to talk to people about something that they do that they feel like they're great at, people light up in a different way, when they're speaking about who they love.


Lala  37:31  

People love talking about the people who are important to them.


Lala  37:35  

And it's so fun to feel that energy shift not halfway through the interview when I shift from what do you do to Who do you love? Tell me about them. One of the recent interviews I was doing was with one of my best friends in the world. I'll explain why he got the first interview in a minute. But when I was talking to them, I asked him what his favorite thing was about the person who made him great. And without any hesitation, he said


Jamie  37:59  

her laugh.


Lala  38:00  

And it was so pure. It was such a lovely answer. And it wasn't, it wasn't anything that she does for him or anything like that. It was just a an answer based on pure love and appreciation of that person. And that's what comes out in those interviews. So I was doing this project after college kind of fell off when I started doing a bajillion other things in grad school and all of that. And then a couple weeks ago, the same friend who is one of the first person or the first person that I interviewed for the new iteration of the project, he slid into my Instagram DMS because I was talking about some sort of foolishness in my stories. He said you should start a podcast and I said nope. So it didn't go very well with me saying no. But I started thinking about it more. The reason I said now is because I'm working on a lot of other projects right now. And it just kind of felt like I didn't have time to do it. Well, again, that's kind of this achievement thing tied it and I knew it was something that would bring me joy. But I didn't think it was something that I could do to the most flashy, best looking thing. And so I said, No, finish start thinking about it more. Well, this would actually bring me a lot of happiness right now to be able to get back to that place of talking to people. And so I started thinking about it. And I was thinking, Okay, well, what do I do a podcast about? And so I put that in my stories, too, because I just asked people a lot of questions in my stories. If I were to start a podcast, what should I do? And so many of my friends bless them like, you idiot, you already have this project, and we all loved it, and then you stop doing it. What are you talking? Do that like, ah, right, yep. Okay, I'll go back to that. And so who made you great has now been revived as a podcast. And it's the medium of our times. But all of those interviews can still be found at who made you great calm, I'm also transcribing them so they can be read if that's a preferred medium for you. But these conversations are so fun to have. And in the same way this podcast works I think, when you hear other people's stories and what They've been through it helps you understand parts of yourself so much better. It creates a mirror. And then you can hear these things and hear other people's experiences and realize we're all doing different things, but really not all that dissimilar. We're all feeling the same stuff. And we're all coming up against the same walls. And then we also all have these people in our lives that we adore, who really prompt us up. And we are also connected. And so lucky to be supported by those that we love. And that's just a really fun part of this podcast. And I think the the super fun thing has been that right out of college, I didn't know what I was doing. So it was scary to be doing all this I, I hated booking interviews, because it meant that I had to do the interview, and I was scared to do the interview. And it was a lot of work. And now it's just fun. Now I get to chat with people. And then even when I'm doing all the backend work of editing and all that, I'm just putting along having fun listening to the stories and it, it's a really nice thing to again, come back to something I know I'm good at it. I'm just intrinsically good at having these conversations. I like pulling these stories out of people. Much like you, Mom, I'm one of those people that random people come up to me and tell me things that they shouldn't be telling me. But it's really fun to have that thing. I don't know what that thing is where people tell us stuff that is so deep things that they've never told anyone else. But it's so important that they're saying them and sharing them. And that comes out in the podcast as well. And we just get to go a lot of different places. It's super fun. So that's who made you great at who made you great calm. also find it anywhere on the internet, who made you great all the social media handles, and across all podcast, listening devices and programs.


Jamie  41:46  

That's awesome. I could I ask you a million more questions. I think maybe for a few topics, we'll have to do this again. But in the interest of wrapping up the show, I think that last summary that you gave is pretty strong that we are all very similar. I know one of the reasons that I started this podcast is because I felt that some of the pivots that were forced on me, I felt very isolated. When I went through them I felt like I was the stupidest person on the planet that nobody else in the world made such dumb mistakes as me How could I be so naive? How could I have not seen various things coming or it was my fault. And so I love sharing stories so that people like you said, hear themselves in these stories and understand you are not alone. You're not an oddball, we are all in this together, we've all got very similar fears and concerns and times when we felt humiliated. And it is the human condition. And it's also the human condition to want to come together. And remember somebody laugh, or the smell of you know, some food in the kitchen, or just really small things that are so hugely significant that bind us together, hold us together, encourage us to keep going forward. Are there any last words of wisdom, any one thing that you think of that has either helped carry you through the various changes or that as you're getting a little older, and you've got a little more perspective, and you're calming down even the midst of the world going crazy. It feels like in some ways that you have calmed down as these things hit you. Any last thoughts for people?


Lala  43:37  

You are braver than you think you are? I think that's something that I always return to have. It's kind of like Glennon Doyle's whole phrase of you can do hard things. You are always capable. I think it has been very odd to watch myself during all of this quarantine stuff. I'm based out of the Greater New York City area, I have an autoimmune disease, things were very, very scary for a while there. And they're still scary, but less so for here, just because things have been so contained here. For the most part. I have learned more Not always, but I've learned more to let go of the things that I can't control.


Lala  44:18  

This was something that you tried to tell me all of the time, when I was like 10 to 13 ish, there was some stuff happening in life. And you kept telling me like, like, let it go. And I fought that tooth and nail. And for me, it felt like letting go meant I didn't actually care about this thing. Or if I let it go, everything would fall apart. I now understand that what you were trying to impart about on me that I just I didn't hear and I didn't have a means to process yet was you can


Lala  45:00  

control everything. And by you holding on so tightly, it won't change the thing, but it'll make you feel worse. And so learning to let go of the things that we can't control is important. It's hard. And that's probably the most courageous thing that we can do have really come back to ourselves and figure out what are the things we have power over? The answer is only ourselves. And understanding that that's okay. And there's actually a lot of power in that itself. So that's what I think I would want to impart. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time here today. Thank you for sharing your story telling and your view. One more time, how can people find you? You can find me anywhere on the Internet at law Jackson calm or Hey, Lola Jackson across social media handles. And if you're interested in listening to who made you great, love to have you over there. Or if you're even interested in sharing your story you have someone you absolutely adore in your life who will help you get where you are today. Please reach out to me, I would love to hear your story and share your story and tell it that is that who made you where you can find me on Instagram, who made you great. And there are email addresses everywhere on all of those things, or you can just DM me on any platform. Fantastic. Thank you very much. So, folks, this has been Pamela Jackson, aka blah, blah Jackson, if you hadn't noticed she's one hell of a strong woman. I love her dearly. I love you dearly. We'll have to talk next time about the tattoos and what they say that people listening can't see. But that's another topic for another time. Thank you so much. You love you.


outro  46:51  

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